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The Jakarta Post Tue, October 02 2012,


The government has rejected the findings of the National Commission on Human Rights (Komnas HAM) declaring the 1965 communist purge a gross human rights violation and has refused to apologize for the victims of the atrocity.

Coordinating Political, Legal and Security Affairs Minister Djoko Suyanto rejected the Komnas HAM conclusion and insisted that the mass killings, which were state-sponsored according to the rights body, were justified to save the country from communists.

“Define gross human rights violation! Against whom? What if it had happened the other way around?” Djoko said on the sidelines of a meeting with the House of Representatives’ budget committee on Monday.

Djoko indicated that the mass killings during the communist purge were justified as they were aimed at protecting the country.

“This country would not be what it is today if it didn’t happen. Of course there were victims [during the purge], and we are investigating them,” Djoko added.

After a thorough investigation lasting nearly four years, Komnas HAM finally declared the killings in the 1965 purge a state-sponsored gross human rights violation.

The investigation found that widespread mass killings had occurred during the period and featured similar patterns, starting with victims being arrested and detained in military camps, where they were interrogated, tortured, raped or murdered.

Following its investigation, Komnas HAM recommended the government set up a reconciliation and truth committee, and that a presidential apology be made to the families of victims as well as
to survivors.

However, according to Djoko, such a recommendation was unreasonable due to the lack a legal basis.

“We can’t do that because the Constitutional Court has repealed the law on truth and reconciliation,” he said.

Djoko said that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono should not make an official apology for the atrocity, arguing that the killings should be seen in an historical context.

“We must look at what happened comprehensively. Mutiny against the state was planned by the communists. Immediate action was needed to protect the country against such a threat. Don’t force the government to apologize,” Djoko said.

Separately, Indonesian Military (TNI) Comr. Adm. Agus Suhartono shared Djoko’s conviction, saying that the TNI would not deliver an apology.

“We will, of course, punish any members proven to have played roles in the incident. But, why bother doling out punishment when the Attorney General’s Office would certainly say that the soldiers were not guilty,” Agus said on the sidelines of an annual function to commemorate the 1965 failed coup at the Lubang Buaya Museum in East Jakarta, a monument built to strengthen the New Order’s version of the failed Sept. 30 coup, which was blamed on the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI).

The somber mood of the annual function was broken when organizers of the event played Yudho-
yono-penned song “Ku Yakin Sampai Di Sana” (I Know I Will Get There) as the opening song for the ceremony.

Yudhoyono served as a leader at the function, which was held to honor TNI officers who perished in the bloody 1965 incident.




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The Jakarta Post Tue, October 02 2012,


“Define gross human rights violation!
]b]U bedoelt ?[/b]


Against whom?
Nee, toch .

What if it had happened the other way around?”
]b]Heeft hij wel gelijk in .[/b]


Djoko indicated that the mass killings during the communist purge were justified as they were aimed at protecting the country.
No justification .
Wel ben ik voorstander geweest dat bij hoogverraad andere straffen moet zijn .


“This country would not be what it is today if it didn’t happen. Of course there were victims [during the purge], and we are investigating them,” Djoko added.
Als maar niet basa basi

After a thorough investigation lasting nearly four years, Komnas HAM finally declared the killings in the 1965 purge a state-sponsored gross human rights violation.

The investigation found that widespread mass killings had occurred during the period and featured similar patterns, starting with victims being arrested and detained in military camps, where they were interrogated, tortured, raped or murdered.

Following its investigation, Komnas HAM recommended the government set up a reconciliation and truth committee, and that a presidential apology be made to the families of victims as well as to survivors.
Akur , 100%

However, according to Djoko, such a recommendation was unreasonable due to the lack a legal basis.
Maak het legaal

“We can’t do that because the Constitutional Court has repealed the law on truth and reconciliation,” he said.

Djoko said that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono should not make an official apology for the atrocity, arguing that the killings should be seen in an historical context.

“We must look at what happened comprehensively. Mutiny against the state was planned by the communists. Immediate action was needed to protect the country against such a threat. Don’t force the government to apologize,” Djoko said.
Ben voorstaander van reconciliation route .
Het was ook een chaos en de rol van betrokkenen zijn duidelijk.

Separately, Indonesian Military (TNI) Comr. Adm. Agus Suhartono shared Djoko’s conviction, saying that the TNI would not deliver an apology.

“We will, of course, punish any members proven to have played roles in the incident. But, why bother doling out punishment when the Attorney General’s Office would certainly say that the soldiers were not guilty,” Agus said on the sidelines of an annual function to commemorate the 1965 failed coup at the Lubang Buaya Museum in East Jakarta, a monument built to strengthen the New Order’s version of the failed Sept. 30 coup, which was blamed on the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI).




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